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	<title>Comments on: Why Modoshi will beat DealsPlus</title>
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		<title>by: Yan</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-13009</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Eve, referring by itself is not spamming. However by writing such a positive comment as yours and including a referral link you place under question the objectivity of your comment.

You have very good points in your comment and this is why I kept it. However to dampen the bias a little bit I thought it would be better to disclose the affiliation. Does that sound fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve, referring by itself is not spamming. However by writing such a positive comment as yours and including a referral link you place under question the objectivity of your comment.</p>
<p>You have very good points in your comment and this is why I kept it. However to dampen the bias a little bit I thought it would be better to disclose the affiliation. Does that sound fair?
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		<title>by: Eve</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-13007</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-13007</guid>
					<description>Sorry I didn't know that referring was spamming. Thanks for keeping the comment.

Your site is extremely helpful and insightful for many users. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t know that referring was spamming. Thanks for keeping the comment.</p>
<p>Your site is extremely helpful and insightful for many users. Thanks again.
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		<title>by: Eve</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-12990</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-12990</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Spam alert! This comment contained referral links which I edited out. It has some good points and that is the reason I kept it. -yan&lt;/em&gt;
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I beg to differ on this one.

I've tried both Dealplus and Modoshi. Dealsplus has an amazing community that supports one another and is so easy to use. They even have a Youtube.com video demonstrating how to submit deals, whereas Modoshi is far too bloated, complicated, and submitting deals is a long and excruciating process.

In respect to submitting deals I also feel like it is a waste of time and effort as not all your deals will go through because of affiliate issues.

A few of my friends have been rewarded by entering in the free one hour a day giveaway for either an iPod, Zune, Xbox 360, Wii, PS3, and more! Many users have also broadcasted themselves on Youtube.com to validate their winnings. There is also the a free side mirror and frame set just for being a user.

I could only last 30 minutes on Modoshi before converting back to Dealsplus where my loyalty will remain. Joining just for the wonderful community in Dealsplus alone is a reward in itself. The Dealplus owners ask for feedback and appreciate any advice in its improvement.

As a last note, in comparing the hot deals in both site's main page, Dealplus has the better deals on the more popular items people want and need. 

&lt;a href="http://DealsPl.us" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Never pay retail again! DealsPl.us&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Spam alert! This comment contained referral links which I edited out. It has some good points and that is the reason I kept it. -yan</em><br />
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<p>I beg to differ on this one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried both Dealplus and Modoshi. Dealsplus has an amazing community that supports one another and is so easy to use. They even have a Youtube.com video demonstrating how to submit deals, whereas Modoshi is far too bloated, complicated, and submitting deals is a long and excruciating process.</p>
<p>In respect to submitting deals I also feel like it is a waste of time and effort as not all your deals will go through because of affiliate issues.</p>
<p>A few of my friends have been rewarded by entering in the free one hour a day giveaway for either an iPod, Zune, Xbox 360, Wii, PS3, and more! Many users have also broadcasted themselves on Youtube.com to validate their winnings. There is also the a free side mirror and frame set just for being a user.</p>
<p>I could only last 30 minutes on Modoshi before converting back to Dealsplus where my loyalty will remain. Joining just for the wonderful community in Dealsplus alone is a reward in itself. The Dealplus owners ask for feedback and appreciate any advice in its improvement.</p>
<p>As a last note, in comparing the hot deals in both site&#8217;s main page, Dealplus has the better deals on the more popular items people want and need. </p>
<p><a href="http://DealsPl.us" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Never pay retail again! DealsPl.us</a>
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		<title>by: what do you give back to the users? at Preparing boonjo with you, for you</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-6848</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-6848</guid>
					<description>[...] But what we know for sure is, if we are to build a community we gotta give something back to them. Whether its the commission vs. the flat fee approach to getting users to submit remains an area of concern.  Bookmark to : [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] But what we know for sure is, if we are to build a community we gotta give something back to them. Whether its the commission vs. the flat fee approach to getting users to submit remains an area of concern.  Bookmark to : [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Great Post on Social Bargain Hunting (via Probargainhunter) at Starting Up&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-3687</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-3687</guid>
					<description>[...] I just came across this great post on ProBargainHunter about Modoshi and Dealspl.us. Yan talks about the time needed for community building and the commission vs. the flat fee approach to getting users to submit and scrub deals on the site. There are some great ideas in this post that are especially topical given that we are striving to combine savings and community here at Judy&#8217;s Book. Pure community approaches are challenging and the key to incentive systems is to be aware of unintended consequences. People are quick to optimize agains whatever model you put in place and if you&#8217;re not careful about measuring and adapting your system, you&#8217;ll quickly find yourself paying for contributions that don&#8217;t create any value. I realize this is sort of a &#8216;duh&#8217; statement, but you&#8217;d be amazed how hard it is to implement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I just came across this great post on ProBargainHunter about Modoshi and Dealspl.us. Yan talks about the time needed for community building and the commission vs. the flat fee approach to getting users to submit and scrub deals on the site. There are some great ideas in this post that are especially topical given that we are striving to combine savings and community here at Judy&#8217;s Book. Pure community approaches are challenging and the key to incentive systems is to be aware of unintended consequences. People are quick to optimize agains whatever model you put in place and if you&#8217;re not careful about measuring and adapting your system, you&#8217;ll quickly find yourself paying for contributions that don&#8217;t create any value. I realize this is sort of a &#8216;duh&#8217; statement, but you&#8217;d be amazed how hard it is to implement. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: links for 2007-01-11 &#187; Personal Finance - Save Money at Binary Dollar</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2568</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2568</guid>
					<description>[...] Why Modoshi will beat DealsPlus Why one social bargain hunting site will overtake another. (tags: money finance bargain) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Why Modoshi will beat DealsPlus Why one social bargain hunting site will overtake another. (tags: money finance bargain) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: TD</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2462</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2462</guid>
					<description>Modoshi is a great site.
Good way to make money too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modoshi is a great site.<br />
Good way to make money too
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		<title>by: Yan</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2456</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2456</guid>
					<description>A hot product pre-order link is still a good deal, isn't? We are not talking frugality here...

Modoshi uses the community mostly to get the submissions coming. Their deal rank is not what you will find at digg or dealsplus. It has social part in it but it is also based on the stats they gather for similar products (see my post). To me this is exactly the moderation that you refer to. Or should I say, social + brains. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hot product pre-order link is still a good deal, isn&#8217;t? We are not talking frugality here&#8230;</p>
<p>Modoshi uses the community mostly to get the submissions coming. Their deal rank is not what you will find at digg or dealsplus. It has social part in it but it is also based on the stats they gather for similar products (see my post). To me this is exactly the moderation that you refer to. Or should I say, social + brains. <img src='http://probargainhunter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
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		<title>by: Jack</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2455</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2455</guid>
					<description>As the author of BargainJack, another recent entry in the ever-growing list of deal sites, I have been debating different ideas for evolving my website.  So I've given the community interaction idea a lot of thought.  One distinct disadvantage to a self-sufficient system like dealspl.us or modoshi is, deals turn into popularity contests.  This can take many forms, whether we're talking about certain types of products getting more votes than others (just because the product is popular, and not necessarily because the quality of the deal is all that great), or certain users getting more votes just because of their stature within the community.

I'll give two examples.  For the first case, I glanced at modoshi and saw one of the recent winners had won from submitting a pre-order link for the new WoW Expansion.  This is a very popular new product, but not a very good deal in terms of savings.  I think it was listed at the retail price if I remember right.

Another example is when people use Digg to promote websites.  I've seen several good sites promoted on Digg, with little to no fanfare, and then some bigtime player who already has a well-known name comes along and pushes their site and gets a huge response.

As much as I like social communities and realize their value to the deal community, I think some form of moderation needs to take form over these communities.  While I love Digg and use it regularly for news and other miscellaneous stuff, I would never use it as my source for daily news on the world because of the natural bias in this community.

My final comment is, I dunno where I'll go with BargainJack.  It will certainly be geared towards community and the free exchange of ideas.  No matter which direction I go, I will at least resist some of the temptation to compromise quality for an unmoderated, self-sustaining community--at least until someone comes up with a good way of preserving quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the author of BargainJack, another recent entry in the ever-growing list of deal sites, I have been debating different ideas for evolving my website.  So I&#8217;ve given the community interaction idea a lot of thought.  One distinct disadvantage to a self-sufficient system like dealspl.us or modoshi is, deals turn into popularity contests.  This can take many forms, whether we&#8217;re talking about certain types of products getting more votes than others (just because the product is popular, and not necessarily because the quality of the deal is all that great), or certain users getting more votes just because of their stature within the community.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give two examples.  For the first case, I glanced at modoshi and saw one of the recent winners had won from submitting a pre-order link for the new WoW Expansion.  This is a very popular new product, but not a very good deal in terms of savings.  I think it was listed at the retail price if I remember right.</p>
<p>Another example is when people use Digg to promote websites.  I&#8217;ve seen several good sites promoted on Digg, with little to no fanfare, and then some bigtime player who already has a well-known name comes along and pushes their site and gets a huge response.</p>
<p>As much as I like social communities and realize their value to the deal community, I think some form of moderation needs to take form over these communities.  While I love Digg and use it regularly for news and other miscellaneous stuff, I would never use it as my source for daily news on the world because of the natural bias in this community.</p>
<p>My final comment is, I dunno where I&#8217;ll go with BargainJack.  It will certainly be geared towards community and the free exchange of ideas.  No matter which direction I go, I will at least resist some of the temptation to compromise quality for an unmoderated, self-sustaining community&#8211;at least until someone comes up with a good way of preserving quality.
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		<title>by: Anon</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2007/01/11/why-modoshi-will-beat-dealsplus/#comment-2447</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's a pity they live in a cave and haven't heard about RSS feeds.</description>
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