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	<title>Comments on: Coupon Site &#8211; RetailMeNot Review</title>
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		<title>By: savenextdoor</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2008/03/24/coupon-site-retailmenot-review/comment-page-1/#comment-66329</link>
		<dc:creator>savenextdoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with exclusive coupons is that others will inevitably pick up your content.  It&#039;s hard to get the SMB&#039;s to post their coupons on your site, so you are left with affiliate models and partnerships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with exclusive coupons is that others will inevitably pick up your content.  It&#8217;s hard to get the SMB&#8217;s to post their coupons on your site, so you are left with affiliate models and partnerships.</p>
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		<title>By: rnm</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2008/03/24/coupon-site-retailmenot-review/comment-page-1/#comment-63226</link>
		<dc:creator>rnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately people have now started to understand how RMN is useless 99% of the time.
Their codes are never updated, whenever they are real, otherwise they just scraped them from other sites which is the core competency of the company.

Additionally, they spam search engines (look at their HTML and tell me where the H tags are) but for sure they have money.

VERY fortunatelly the UK internet advertising bureau found out all of the RMN tricks and decided to ban them nationwide. A good move for a cheating company made of tricks dedicated to fool journalists and basic users into cliking for cookie stuffing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately people have now started to understand how RMN is useless 99% of the time.<br />
Their codes are never updated, whenever they are real, otherwise they just scraped them from other sites which is the core competency of the company.</p>
<p>Additionally, they spam search engines (look at their HTML and tell me where the H tags are) but for sure they have money.</p>
<p>VERY fortunatelly the UK internet advertising bureau found out all of the RMN tricks and decided to ban them nationwide. A good move for a cheating company made of tricks dedicated to fool journalists and basic users into cliking for cookie stuffing.</p>
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		<title>By: Homedad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really believe that it is a very time consuming process to have to verify the coupons continuously.  One main reason is that the manufacturers retains control when to terminate the promotion or discounts and at any one time a valid coupon may become invalid (well, except those that have specific expiration dates).  The way RMN operates, they rely on the consumers to rate the coupons and based on what I have seen, many of those RMN coupons have very low percentage of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really believe that it is a very time consuming process to have to verify the coupons continuously.  One main reason is that the manufacturers retains control when to terminate the promotion or discounts and at any one time a valid coupon may become invalid (well, except those that have specific expiration dates).  The way RMN operates, they rely on the consumers to rate the coupons and based on what I have seen, many of those RMN coupons have very low percentage of success.</p>
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		<title>By: Affiliatewise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Affiliatewise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMN has been in trouble for this before. They have been outted on several affiliate marketing forums for posting exclusive coupons. What everyone may not know is that many of the exclusive coupons are now being credited to the site it was issued to rather than credit being based on the site it was referred from (RMN). Once the coupon code is entered, it nulls the referrer(RMN)and credit is then appropriately assigned to the intended website it was stolen from. If more merchants would track thier coupons in this fashon, nobody would complain and RMN would just be helping rather than hurting other coupon sites commissions. Not THAT would be the test of RMN actual business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMN has been in trouble for this before. They have been outted on several affiliate marketing forums for posting exclusive coupons. What everyone may not know is that many of the exclusive coupons are now being credited to the site it was issued to rather than credit being based on the site it was referred from (RMN). Once the coupon code is entered, it nulls the referrer(RMN)and credit is then appropriately assigned to the intended website it was stolen from. If more merchants would track thier coupons in this fashon, nobody would complain and RMN would just be helping rather than hurting other coupon sites commissions. Not THAT would be the test of RMN actual business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Budda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can RMN justify wasting time verifying every coupon submitted? That sounds like a big old waste of time and expense.

I wonder how much moola RMN actually make to sustain paying 3 people to run the business, if it is a business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can RMN justify wasting time verifying every coupon submitted? That sounds like a big old waste of time and expense.</p>
<p>I wonder how much moola RMN actually make to sustain paying 3 people to run the business, if it is a business?</p>
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		<title>By: Chat</title>
		<link>http://probargainhunter.com/2008/03/24/coupon-site-retailmenot-review/comment-page-1/#comment-30126</link>
		<dc:creator>Chat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy the argument stating that RMN is not responsible for the quality of the coupons that their user&#039;s submit.

A quality assurance team could be put in place to validate the authenticity of coupons in conjunction with the feedback they receive from their users.

Other sites do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy the argument stating that RMN is not responsible for the quality of the coupons that their user&#8217;s submit.</p>
<p>A quality assurance team could be put in place to validate the authenticity of coupons in conjunction with the feedback they receive from their users.</p>
<p>Other sites do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think RMN does any scraping.  I know about their other sites and the software they use and it&#039;s all very simple software. I just don&#039;t think they&#039;ve got the technical know-how to implement efficient scrapers.  They have a strong foundation in user submitted content with their bugmenot site, so they were able to leverage that community to get RMN going.

While their model is very controversial from an affiliate standpoint, consumers seem to love them.  So this may just be an industry disruption that is here to stay.  It&#039;s up to the merchants to decide if they want to pay RMN commissions and whether they want to be listed at all.  If enough of the big merchants say &quot;remove me&quot; they will no longer have any value.  So it&#039;s definitely in RMN&#039;s interest to cater to merchants and offer them valuable customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think RMN does any scraping.  I know about their other sites and the software they use and it&#8217;s all very simple software. I just don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve got the technical know-how to implement efficient scrapers.  They have a strong foundation in user submitted content with their bugmenot site, so they were able to leverage that community to get RMN going.</p>
<p>While their model is very controversial from an affiliate standpoint, consumers seem to love them.  So this may just be an industry disruption that is here to stay.  It&#8217;s up to the merchants to decide if they want to pay RMN commissions and whether they want to be listed at all.  If enough of the big merchants say &#8220;remove me&#8221; they will no longer have any value.  So it&#8217;s definitely in RMN&#8217;s interest to cater to merchants and offer them valuable customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

&quot;With RMN highlighting operating with just 3 employees, it is obvious that, not all coupons are collected by the employees. Also from my statistics from their forums, we see that there is no real community there and nor is there any reward for submitting coupons&quot;

The coupons are entered through the toolbar, so that is why you do not see activity in the forums. Just like there other tool bugmenot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>&#8220;With RMN highlighting operating with just 3 employees, it is obvious that, not all coupons are collected by the employees. Also from my statistics from their forums, we see that there is no real community there and nor is there any reward for submitting coupons&#8221;</p>
<p>The coupons are entered through the toolbar, so that is why you do not see activity in the forums. Just like there other tool bugmenot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, good guessing! Having run ShoppingBargains.com for 9+ years and knowing many friendly &quot;competitors&quot; within the industry, it&#039;s clear to me that 3 people cannot manually enter and keep up with 13K merchants and 70K+ coupons. All the big players I know still do lots of manual coupon entry and quality checking.

I&#039;d suspect, as you suggest, that some heavy script scraping is going on and that&#039;s why many in the coupon industry are not fans of RMN. Our server logs tell many stories that back up our suspicions that somebody (actually many &quot;somebodies&quot;) are scraping our sites routinely. A guy no longer in the industry as far as I know once told me he did hourly scrapes of another coupon site and that was all he did to keep his own site updated. Many of us with coupon sites feel our hard work and quality testing is used against us by people who SEO&#039;d their way to the top using the content of others. (I&#039;m not just pointing at RMN here.)

As for community involvement, knowing it&#039;s hard to start and maintain a vibrant community, I&#039;d be surprised if more than 5% of RMN&#039;s coupons were posted by a real community of individual users. 

Just my 2 cents . . . I&#039;ve enjoyed the review and commenting. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, good guessing! Having run ShoppingBargains.com for 9+ years and knowing many friendly &#8220;competitors&#8221; within the industry, it&#8217;s clear to me that 3 people cannot manually enter and keep up with 13K merchants and 70K+ coupons. All the big players I know still do lots of manual coupon entry and quality checking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suspect, as you suggest, that some heavy script scraping is going on and that&#8217;s why many in the coupon industry are not fans of RMN. Our server logs tell many stories that back up our suspicions that somebody (actually many &#8220;somebodies&#8221;) are scraping our sites routinely. A guy no longer in the industry as far as I know once told me he did hourly scrapes of another coupon site and that was all he did to keep his own site updated. Many of us with coupon sites feel our hard work and quality testing is used against us by people who SEO&#8217;d their way to the top using the content of others. (I&#8217;m not just pointing at RMN here.)</p>
<p>As for community involvement, knowing it&#8217;s hard to start and maintain a vibrant community, I&#8217;d be surprised if more than 5% of RMN&#8217;s coupons were posted by a real community of individual users. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents . . . I&#8217;ve enjoyed the review and commenting. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about burning bad sites, Yan. I think RMN gets some slack from shoppers because their coupons are posted by a community and thus the community knows that errors will be part of the mix.

As for old models, morality and professional courtesy should not be phased out with new business models. While it&#039;s true that exclusive coupon codes are not copyrighted, they do have value and have been specifically provided to facilitate a single merchant/publisher relationship. Publishing non-authorized coupons can be a violation of the affiliate agreement and RMN relies on affiliate marketing for much of their revenue and is bound by those agreements. (Why not just share the link to where the exclusive coupon is published instead of lifting the unauthorized coupon? Answer, because the revenue would go to a competitor.)

As for Google creating a search operand, that would not be the same as republishing exclusive coupon codes since the search results would still link to my or another coupon site.  I see no problem with that and would probably welcome such an operand if it were open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about burning bad sites, Yan. I think RMN gets some slack from shoppers because their coupons are posted by a community and thus the community knows that errors will be part of the mix.</p>
<p>As for old models, morality and professional courtesy should not be phased out with new business models. While it&#8217;s true that exclusive coupon codes are not copyrighted, they do have value and have been specifically provided to facilitate a single merchant/publisher relationship. Publishing non-authorized coupons can be a violation of the affiliate agreement and RMN relies on affiliate marketing for much of their revenue and is bound by those agreements. (Why not just share the link to where the exclusive coupon is published instead of lifting the unauthorized coupon? Answer, because the revenue would go to a competitor.)</p>
<p>As for Google creating a search operand, that would not be the same as republishing exclusive coupon codes since the search results would still link to my or another coupon site.  I see no problem with that and would probably welcome such an operand if it were open.</p>
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