Archive for September, 2009

Why coupon site owners hate RetailMeNot

I received a funny and angry email today from a coupon site owner who didn’t seem to be too happy about me listing RetailMeNot in my Popular Sites monthly list. He then goes ahead and gives me a link to a thread at ABestWeb forums which in essence is a 14 page long discussion between affiliate site owners and affiliate network managers about RetailMeNot. The conversation starts with Todd of AlexsCoupons complaining that RMN publishes his exclusive coupon for iFrogz:

This kind of crap has got to end. I am getting very tired of working my a$$ off to establish a good relationship with a merchant, only to see some scraper come along and benefit from my work. (They even listed the code as their exclusive code!)

First thing that strikes me is how difficult it is for somebody running an established affiliate site to accept that the business could be done in a non traditional way. The typical (or call it “legacy”) coupon site is operated by a stuff of a few people who get the coupons from merchants via affiliated channels and distribute them to their user base. The new breed however uses a different approach. They ride the “social phenomenon” and have the content posted to them by the community.

The new web

This can be difficult to understand for somebody who don’t keep their eyes open to what is happening around the web (which is often the case when you are “working your a$$ off” :-) ). Websites like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube have popped up and boast millions of pages of content. Where did it come from? Did the YouTube owners post each video they have?

The same revolution happens in the affiliate world at a smaller scale and while the forum based website owners (like SlickDeals and Fatwallet) for obvious reasons have no issue with it, the traditional businesses do. So do some merchants. Here is one of them commenting to the same ABestWeb thread

My problem with RMN lies in that I have removed them from my affiliate programs, so they took it upon themselves to flood their site with every single unauthorized coupon code they could find, thereby compromising my marketing results. And what’s even more frustrating is that the consumer has no clue what they are doing is wrong. RMN tops my list of unethical affiliates and they seem to really enjoy the “bad boy” tag they’ve acquired in the affiliate world.

Consumers are not a hoard of animals. If they got to a RetailMeNot page they are intelligent enough to have figured out that they can use the web to search for coupons. That by itself is quite an achievement I should say. As to RMN flooding the site with “unauthorized” coupon codes. The codes are only “unauthorized” as long as the coupon site has an affiliate agreement with the store and guess what happens when you receive an email from a merchant and face a choice to remove the coupons or leave the program? This is exactly what we recently faced at Buxr when the email came from New York and Company. We took a hard look at what will be left should we remove the “unauthorized” coupons and figured we will be doing a poor service to our visitors and instead opted to break with the merchant. This may sound crazy to an affiliate old timer but this is the reality of doing affiliate business in a new way.

Too big to fail

There is a bit of irony in how affiliate network managers approach the situation. On one hand they take an action when merchants (or other affiliates) communicate problems to them about unauthorized use of coupons. Here is one such “action”:

OK, I found them in my CJ account and expired them. Thanks for the tip. They signed up last week so the URL was fresh in my mind.

If the outrage was over a small insignificant coupon site then this would be the end of the story, however as big as RMN has grown they represent significant lost revenue for any network that doesn’t stay on board and so the managers have a big incentive to keep things running, even to the extend of taking on policing the site for “bad” coupons. Here is a much later comment from the same manger (who took the action above)

Over the last few years I have developed an excellent relationship with RMN and am very satisfied with them. It takes me a minute to ask for a change or removal I control the copy on the merchants store page and optimize it. Don’t know other affiliates letting me do that.

So a compromise is possible? Sure thing. If there is a will there is a way and the fact that RMN rakes 4 million in sales each month somewhat helps the matter. :-)

And finally here is a comment that sums it up very well:

It is apparent that a) merchants like RMN because they bring in sales and b) affiliates are jealous of the RMN concept that has done very well. Not sure there is anything else to say about RMN.

Breaking old habits is hard but social bargain hunting is here to stay whether some like it or not. If old Terms of Service are no longer good then the new ones will be written. It is time for a change.

Community owned deal site. Nonsense?

firefox-open-standardsThis is just a crazy idea I had the other day and which I decided to write down before my mind wonders somewhere else and I forget about it. What if there was a website for bargain hunters that runs in a similar fashion as say Wikipedia or CraigsList? No ads, no affiliate links, completely community operated and based on open source platform. Would it make any sense at all?

I understand there are probably some bulletin board based bargain forums that do it but the phpBB is a stone age technology and has never really been meant to be used for shopping. What I mean is to have a fully functional social site with all the bells and whistles that come with a perfect deal site but completely owned and operated by the community.

Why would this make sense?

If the idea is novel the media will pick it up and it will spread virally offering free advertising (at least at the beginning). The members that join will make the most devoted bargain community that ever existed since they know the place is theirs and there is no owners behind the scene that set their rules and make profits off of the deals. Devoted members means more growth for the website because of all the free publicity and referrals they bring in.

I know from my own experience running Buxr that the web platform could be written in such a way that the community can properly format & categorize the deals, verify them, and also update them over time. To keep things sane, new members could have limited privileges but as they gain the tenure they turn into “power users” who can do more around the site, and eventually suggest themselves to become moderators. The community would vote (say once a year) to pick a number of moderators who then run the site for the next year.

The platform would be based on an open source code written by web developers volunteers who devote themselves to this idea. The only monetary expense is web hosting but it can be easily offset with donations since web hosting is dirt cheap these days.

So what do you think? Is this something even worth discussing? Does social shopping & bargain hunting have the scale to become a foundation of an open community like this? Do people even care about who owns the content they create and how it is used? Am I out of my mind even thinking about this idea?

Popular Coupon Sites – August 2009

This is August 2009 revision of the Popular Coupon sites list. You can find the previous revision of the list here.

The change in rating shows the difference compared to July results. This list currently has 32 sites - two less than in July. On average the coupon sites have gained (0.56%) in August.

The best performer is again tjoos.com (16.8%), whose relative rank also moves up by 4, and the worst result comes from couponbug.com (22.76%) which also slides down by one position. Enjoy the complete list below!

# Web Site Alexa Rank Page Rank Online Since
# Web Site Alexa Rank Page Rank Online Since
1 retailmenot.com (info) 1285 (6.82%) 6 27-Oct-2006
2 eversave.com 1980 (-4.98%) 5 08-Apr-1999
3 coupons.com n/a 6 07-Sep-1994
4 coolsavings.com 2443 (-5.17%) 6 03-Jun-1996
5 couponmountain.com 2950 (2.9%) 5 05-May-2001
6 couponcabin.com 8279 (2.04%) 6 27-Feb-2003
7 (3) tjoos.com 13964 (16.8%) 4 16-Jun-2007
8 savings.com 14659 (9.05%) 5 20-Apr-1995
9 (2) coupons.smartsource.com 14909 (-7.47%) 6 27-Apr-1995
10 (1) mycoupons.com 16571 (-1.27%) 5 16-Feb-1999
11 couponmom.com 23175 (-12.78%) 6 25-Jun-2002
12 hotcouponworld.com 27325 (8.61%) 4 15-Jun-2006
13 (3) 8coupons.com 31245 (14.38%) 5 11-Jun-2006
14 (1) valpak.com 34795 (2.76%) 6 22-Jun-1994
15 (4) couponcodes4u.com 35388 (15.69%) 4 01-Aug-2007
16 (2) fabuloussavings.com 35632 (-3.68%) 5 27-Jan-1999
17 (4) ultimatecoupons.com 36108 (-6.54%) 4 02-Jul-2001
18 (1) deallocker.com 39820 (-3.5%) 5 24-Mar-2007
19 (1) wow-coupons.com 40813 (-0.53%) 4 26-Nov-2003
20 (1) couponchief.com 41554 (2.22%) 5 15-Jan-2005
21 (1) couponwinner.com 44375 (-5.72%) 5 30-Jan-2006
22 (1) thegrocerygame.com 53948 (6.25%) 5 28-Aug-2001
23 (1) couponcode.com 56527 (1.83%) 5 24-Feb-2002
24 (1) couponseven.com 60192 (4.03%) 3 23-May-2006
25 (3) webbyplanet.com 62801 (14.49%) 4 09-Feb-2006
26 (4) flamingoworld.com 64727 (-14.3%) 5 19-May-1999
27 (2) couponshare.com 79385 (3.52%) 3 21-Jan-2002
28 (1) couponsurfer.com 80340 (-12.04%) 5 11-Feb-1998
29 (3) couponbug.com 80400 (-22.76%) 6 24-Apr-2002
30 (1) cellfire.com 82680 (4.59%) 5 23-Jun-2004
31 (1) shopping-bargains.com 87019 (4.65%) 4 20-Feb-1999
32 (1) gogoshopper.com 91329 (5.12%) 4 16-Dec-1999
33 (3) currentcodes.com 91512 (-7.06%) 5 27-Dec-2000

Popular price comparison sites – August 2009

This is August 2009 revision of the Popular Price Comparison web sites list. You can find the last month revision of the list here.

The change in rating shows the difference compared to July results. The list has a total of 33 web sites which is the same number as the last month. There are 18 more sites in my database that don’t meet Alexa Rank < 100,000 requirement.

The best performer this month is bestwebbuys.com (11.76%) followed by retrevo.com with a gain of (10.21%). The worst performer this month is mysimon.com with a loss of (-26.85%) followed by calibex.com (-13.72%). Please enjoy the complete list below.

# Web Site Alexa Rank Page Rank Online Since
1 google.com/products 1 7 11-Sep-2001
2 shopping.yahoo.com 2 8 18-Jan-1995
3 bing.com/shopping 5 9 22-May-2008
4 shopping.aol.com 35 7 22-Jun-1995
5 shopper.cnet.com (info) 70 8 05-Jul-1996
6 shopping.com 497 (1%) 6 03-Jul-1997
7 nextag.com 555 (2.97%) 7 15-Oct-1998
8 bizrate.com 781 (-3.86%) 7 24-Apr-1996
9 shoplocal.com 995 (7.7%) 7 24-Sep-1998
10 (1) pricegrabber.com (info) 1364 (1.37%) 7 10-Mar-1999
11 (1) shopzilla.com 1443 (-6.57%) 6 04-Jul-2002
12 pronto.com 1642 (-13.16%) 8 01-Jan-2006
13 smarter.com 1711 (-4.58%) 6 28-Apr-1998
14 thefind.com (info) 1764 (0.68%) 6 19-Oct-2006
15 epinions.com 1926 (2.53%) 7 12-Feb-1999
16 dealtime.com 2544 (-0.87%) 6 07-Oct-1998
17 become.com 3077 (3.09%) 6 20-Jan-2004
18 (1) retrevo.com 4794 (10.21%) 6 10-May-2006
19 (1) shopwiki.com 4860 (-0.7%) 5 15-Dec-2004
20 (1) pricerunner.com 7356 (4.57%) 6 19-May-1999
21 (1) dealio.com 7762 (-9.57%) 5 08-Sep-2004
22 (1) like.com 10146 (-13.44%) 6 22-Feb-1995
23 (1) mysimon.com 10501 (-26.85%) 8 15-Apr-1998
24 ebates.com 11206 (2.63%) 6 29-Dec-1998
25 bottomdollar.com 16008 (-12.33%) 0 04-Jul-1997
26 calibex.com 16684 (-13.72%) 5 02-Oct-2000
27 dealighted.com (info) 17512 (-2.78%) 6 09-Oct-2006
28 pricewatch.com 18395 (-5.75%) 6 26-Sep-1995
29 hawkee.com 36765 (0.2%) 5 02-Jan-1997
30 sortprice.com 39877 (-5.26%) 4 15-Jan-2004
31 pricescan.com 46205 (8%) 6 03-Sep-1997
32 bestwebbuys.com 47411 (11.76%) 5 06-Jan-1998
33 streetprices.com 54388 (6%) 5 16-Oct-1997

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