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Hot Deals Forum + Rewards Program = FatWallet

This post continues the weekly series of website reviews which I started last week with SlickDeals. The bargain hunting site of this week is FatWallet, the second popular site in my list. In fact it held the first position for a long time and gave it up to SlickDeals just recently.

Just as in case of SlickDeals, most of the popularity comes from very active community forums, which bring a lot of visitors to FatWallet.

The major difference between FatWallet and SlickDeals is the fact that FatWallet offers a cash back program that visitors can participate to sweeten all the deals they find in the forums (to get the cash back you need to be a registered FatWallet user and to follow certain steps when you make the purchase). Based on November 2006 data the cash back percentages FatWallet offers look pretty competitive compared to other similar rewards programs. FatWallet’s strength compared to other programs is the fact that they offer their rewards in the context of very popular deals forums. The forums community is generating hundreds of bargains a day and it is very hard to compete with the combined intelligence of hundreds of thousands of people.

In addition to the forums, FatWallet offers plenty of other tools aimed at helping you with bargain hunting. Let’s go over each and see what they are worth.

Stores

This page lists stores and the current cash back percentages for each. When you click on a particular store link you get to a page dedicated to that store which lists current promotions applicable to that store and also usually has a few links to specific parts of the store (e.g. different departments). This is very convenient however I wish the deals themselves were also integrated so when I choose to shop in a particular store I could do it all from one page. And hey, where is the Best Buy store page?

OfficeDepot by Fatwallet

Hot Deal News

Hot Deal News is a sort of a blog where a person by the name K. Sebring hand picks deals from forums posts and summarizes them in a more readable format (as well verifying that all the links are accurate and nothing is missing). This is the place to come if you don’t want to swipe crowdy forums. The big problem with this blog is that deals often get here after a week or more since they are posted in forums. I am not sure who K. Sebring is but he should cut on those 4 hour lunch breaks. ;-)

Forums

Forums is ultimately where all of the action takes place. Functionality-wise the forums are inferior compared to those at SlickDeals however this simplicity may appeal to some (too much functionality may look overwhelming). In addition the forums are more restrictive. You will not find fancy avatars or long signatures. In fact you will not see any signatures ever since they were found inappropriate. On one side it takes away individuality from posters, on the other side it eliminates clutter. Pick what you prefer.

Store Ratings

This is in essence an aggregation of ratings for all stores. I don’t see much value in doing it since you can see the same information from the individual store pages (see above). The only case when this could be useful is if you decide to compare stores by their rating side by side (I wish I could pick individual stores and compare them separate from the rest).

Store Ratings

It should be noted that FatWallet has built their own user feedback database which may not be as comprehensive as that of ResellerRatings but which still looks very impressive (for example Amazon has 467 reviews at FatWallet and 1002 at ResellerRatings).

Prices

Prices page is a price comparison engine co-branded with PriceGrabber and it doesn’t represent anything significant. It would be much more useful if it was better integrated with FatWallet store rating and cash back information.

Wiki

Wiki is the company’s attempt to aggregate the static information from forums into a more structured format. The forums are very well suited for limited time deals and promotions but they don’t work well as a reference for longer lived information (for example shopping tips or product specifications). In addition, since Wiki is much more search engine friendly, this can also be looked at as an attempt to monetize on FatWallet’s high Page Rank by bringing all those visitors that don’t land on the site forums pages.

FatWallet Wiki

Wiki is currently in Beta stage and doesn’t seem to be very active. There are some interesing pages (mostly ripped from forums) but it is still a long way before it becomes useful. If I were Tim Storm I would hire a couple of full time technical editors and would start filling in the content.

Big Fat Deals

Big Fat Deals is where FatWallet lists all the new promotions they collect via affiliate channels. These same promotions are available at the individual store pages and Big Fat Deals simply offers another way of looking at this information: chronologically and by category. They also bring together “popular” promotions to a separate list but God Chief Mucky Muck only knows what is considered popular. Are these the ones that bring FatWallet higher commission?

Conclusion

FatWallet offers a greater variety of tools for bargain hunters compared to SlickDeals. Store pages look impressive and Wiki is a step in the right direction. Forums is still the most popular part of the website and functionality-wise they are inferior to SlickDeals.

The main FatWallet strength is integration of a rewards program with active user forums. This is probably what appeals most of the FatWallet’ers and this is what makes them come back.

I think the best way to improve the site is by adding a price comparison engine (similar to JellyFish) integrated with store ratings and cash back information.

SlickDeals popularity — a case study

This post starts a weekly series of website reviews. Just as I promised I will review one bargain site a week. With rare exceptions, the website needs to be in my popular websites list. The websites that offers something unique will be given a priority over the rest.

The bargain site of this week is SlickDeals. It is a very popular website, in fact they just bypassed their archi-rival FatWallet for the first time since I started tracking both in September 2006. So what makes SlickDeals “the number one” bargain site in the entire web?

Some not so slick pages

For starters they hand pick the hottest deals and post them on the front page which perfectly works for the “lazy” majority. The collection of coupons looks pretty impressive as well. The Price Comparison is powered by PriceGrabber and doesn’t present anything special just as the Store Ratings page which is co-branded with ResellerRatings, the leader in this niche. SlickDeals has a very nice home grown Amazon Fillers tool. Use it when you need to add a buck or two to qualify for Amazon’s free shipping on orders of $25 or more. However I bet none of these pages get much use.

Coupons Bug

Here is a proof. Browse to Store Ratings page and from there try clicking on the Coupons menu. You will notice that the link is broken and redirects to a domain squatter, “betaslickdeals.com”. It is hard to believe that something like this would go unnoticed for long on a website that gets many thousands of visitors a day. The only explanation I can think of is that all of the visitors don’t browse to these parts of the website. They all go straight to the forums which is where all of the action happens. (Update: the team fixed the bug after this article was published)

Where all the action happens

SlickDeals user forums are arguably the most popular bargain hunting web forums on the net. Hot Deals, the most popular of them, produces hundreds of posts and thousands of user comments daily. This is the place where I go if I need details on a certain promotion or discount. Since there are so many people participating there is a good chance someone has already attempted to use it and posted their feedback. The community behind these forums is SlickDeals’ most valuable asset.

SlickDeals forum posts

SlickDeals is doing a great job keeping the posters rewarded for digging out bargains. Reputation based voting system is the cornerstone of the SlickDeals forums community. As users gain reputation they obtain certain profile attributes and other perks such as ability to give negative reputation to other users and access to closed areas of the forums.

Forums openness is another important factor that attracts people to SlickDeals. Life stories like this (Title: Another case of hurt feelings on FW) produce flame posts like this (Title: Oh why does Fatwallet suck?) and the ball just keeps rolling. “Corporate shills” is how SlickDeal’ers commonly refer to FatWallet forum moderators in The Lounge, the second popular forum where there is absolutely no inappropriate topic to discuss.

New features improve the site

SlickDeals keep adding features, and maybe not as aggressively as they should, they make the website easier to use with each upgrade. The recent addition includes Post Tags, First Post Preview and Deal Alerts (right now in closed beta testing). The preview lets you read the first post of a forum thread without opening the thread page. The alerts allow you to set up instant email notifications on forum new posts by keywords and/or thread rating.

SlickDeals New Features

This long overdue functionality is exactly what prompted me to start WiredDeals back in summer of 2006. Thank you Mr. SlickDeals! What took you so long? Now how about a more advanced search and threads filtering? ;-)

Conclusion

As with any social website an active community is ultimately the best way to build an even bigger community. As the web expands small sites get bigger but big established sites get bigger even faster. SlickDeals benefited from an early start and firmly established itself as the leader among the younger part of population.

If customizable avatars, long signatures, and fancy smile icons is what important for you — head for SlickDeals and you will feel yourself home. If you think you are too grown up for this childish stuff, wait a week until I review a SlickDeals alternative for conservative type — FatWallet. Until then, so long!

So long!

I want a part of your commission, Mr. Affiliate

Have you ever wondered why we have as many bargain web sites as we do? What makes these people wake up in the morning, sift through the internet for online shopping deals, and post them on web pages?

When I was reviewing Deals.com going public Scott from OzBargainBlog commented that at this rate soon we will have more bargain sites than we have bargains. ;-)

Well, there is no magic here. The market decides how many is enough and there is a very good explanation why the websites keep coming dozen a day.

Bargain sites live off of commission

When you use a bargain site to buy stuff the owner gets an affiliate commission on the sale. This is how most of them operate and this is their bread. The commission is not big, often under 3%, however for a popular site the sales quickly add up. Fatwallet for example is building a new office in Machesney Park, IL to house the growing team of 35 employees (March 2006 data) and was nominated to Fast 50 list by the FastCompany magazine in 2006.

Here is an interesting example from my own experience. You might remember the table with Amazon Discount Shopping links I published back in January. These links retrieve products discounted up to 90% from each of the Amazon’s 28 departments. The links use my affiliate id and generate a commission each time you buy something from Amazon. Ever since I published the table that page alone has brought more revenue than all Google ads I run on my blog.

Some sites share their commission

The overall saturation of the niche produced a new type of business — rewards programs. These are proxy shopping sites who are ready to sacrifice part of their commission just to make you click on their links when you go shopping. In essence they share the commission with you by crediting your account, giving you flier miles, gift certificates or offering other perks. This is very similar to how dividend or cash back credit cards work.

I have reviewed several of the programs in the past and even compared the rewards they offer. Becky Ford at CompareRewards is doing an excellent job covering most of them and I usually resort to her blog when I need an independent opinion on a particular program.

Which of them share more commission?

The information you find in the blogs is good for general reference but shouldn’t be used to make a decision on what program to use for a particular store since the numbers will not be up to date. Rewards programs adjust the percentages all the time based on contracts they have with merchants and other market conditions.

So how can you make that educated shopping decision? This is where websites like evRewards come handy.

At ev’reward, we scour the web daily for the best shopping rewards available. Our directory includes over 14,000 rewards for over 3,000 online stores, available through more than 40 leading cash back, frequent traveler, savings reward and points programs.

In practice it looks like this. You enter the store name, evRewards will list the programs that offer rewards for shopping at this store and will compare the value each has for you in a form of a nice looking chart. Here is for example a result for Circuit City.

CircuitCity Rewards

It is clear from the table that BountyZoo gives the best cash back on things you buy from Circuit City. In addition AMEX Rewards program offers similar rewards when the points they give are converted to cash.

Make them share more commission!

As you find what program offers the best cash back go to that web site and open an account (if you don’t already have one). This (with rare exceptions) is free. All you need to do next is use the links provided by that program to complete the sale (refer to each program website for detailed instructions).

This especially works well for big ticket items like computers, cameras, and TV’s since the difference is obvious right away. Your $1500 laptop at Circuit City will cost you $45 less if you use the program above. Spend the difference to celebrate the event at your favorite stake house and have a drink to smart shopping! ;-)

Black Friday 2006 Status Update

It is only 18 days 9 hours 21 minutes and 15 seconds left according to the countdown timer BlackFridayAds have put on their banner.

The last Black Friday post has turned out to be the most searched for page of my blog. It is not surprising at all taking into account that Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg, IL already has Christmas decorations up for a couple of weeks. Holidays in the United States have been commercialized to a great extent.

Anyway, there is some progress to report which is what I am going to do. The links below point to Black Friday related parts of the corresponding web sites.

  • FatWallet has added a forum section dedicated to Black Friday rumors
  • So did SlickDeals — the runner up in our most popular sites list
  • BFAds are proudly taking the first position in Google search result by “Black Friday”.
  • while GottaDeal comes in the second. I guess Goggle doesn’t know they are the “Official Black Friday site”. ;-)
  • blackfriday.info is in sponsored and main Google search results. They are really serious trying to take the lead. Make sure to check them out
  • DealTaker is busy filling in their Black Friday secion. They posted 16 rumors so far.
  • I already mentioned BlackFridayAds — a new web site catering to hungry Black Friday shoppers. I suspect it is affiliated with AnandTech
  • bf-06.com has come online with a few scans of Black Friday ads (thanks to errno for this tip)
  • TheBlackFriday moves to the bottom of my list. So far it has not met my expectations content wise

This will the the list to check. There are also web sites like beatthecrowd.net and blackfridaygear.com that try to monetize on the rush. Yet I seriously doubt these will give you any original content.

Let me know if I missed any web site on my Black Friday shopping list. If it has original (not re-posted) rumors — I will be happy to add it.

Are you using the best rewards program?

Becky at CompareRewards has compiled an excellent comparison review of shopping rewards programs. These would be web sites like EBates and FatWallet that give you cash back on purchases you make through them.

The review covers a total of 17 programs and compares what they pay at 155 merchants. Here is a quick run down of the finalists. For full details go directly to the review and the comparison table.

“Merchant” column shows the total number of merchants covered by the program, number of merchants that the program gives the best reward at (compared to its peers), and number of merchants that the program gives the worst rewards at. You certainly want the first and the second number be more while the last number — less.

Note, these numbers include only the 155 covered merchants. Programs may offer rewards at other merchants that were not reviewed.

Program Merchants Comments
BondRewards 109/56/0 Rewards offered: U.S. Savings Bonds. Minimum to Redeem: 50 Bond Dollars (equivalent to $25)
EBates 138/27/2 Rewards payable by check or PayPal quarterly, with a $5 payout minimum. Promotion: $5 for joining and making your first purchase.
FatWallet 123/28/3 Rewards go to your PayPal account with no minimum after a waiting period of 3 to 4 months to allow for returns and adjustments. Promotion: $5 bonus for first-time shoppers.
JellyFish 60/16/0 Rewards payable by check or by PayPal, any time your account reaches $10, after a 3 to 4 month pending period.
BabyMint 105/16/1 Rewards Offered: check or deposit into a college savings account
QuickRewards 140/8/5 Cash out for shopping within days with no minimum amount. Payable via Paypal or Gift Certificates.
GreenPoints 49/5/10 Rewards redeemable for gift cards or merchandise. Minimum redeemable - $25

Here is another spin on the data. These are the stores that I personally use most often. The table lists the programs that give the highest rewards for shopping with these merchants.

Merchant Programs Offering Highest Rewards
Best Buy 2.6% - GreenPoints 2.2% - JellyFish
Staples 4.0% - FatWallet 3.0% - Ebates 2.6% - BondRewards
CompUSA 2.6% - BondRewards 2.6% - GreenPoints
Buy.com 2.6% - BondRewards 2.2% - JellyFish
Dell (Home) 3.0% - FatWallet 2.6% - GreenPoints
Half.com 4.0% - QuizPoints 3.7% - FellyFish 3.0% - FatWallet
Circuit City 2.6% - BondRewards 2.6% - GreenPoints
Home Depot 3.0% - EBates 3.0% - BabyMint 2.6% - BondRewards
Office Depot 6.0% - BondRewards 2.6% - GreenPoints
Office Max 4.0% - Ebates 3.4% - BondRewards
Snapfish 10% - Ebates 10% - FatWallet 10% - BabyMint
Shutterfly 12% - BabyMint 8.0% - EBates
Toys’R’Us 4.0% - BabyMint 3.1% - QuickRebates 3.0% - EBates
Starbucks 8.5% - BondRewards 8.0% - EBates 7.5% - JellyFish
Payless Shoes 8.0% - FatWallet 6.0% - EBates

I couldn’t find Amazon and Outpost/Frys (the other two stores I use frequently) in the list of merchants. Either no one offers rebates or they were not included in the analysis.

Looking at the last table here is the list of programs that I should be choosing from (the numbers show how many first, second and third spots the program has taken):

  • BondRewards: 5-1-1
  • EBates: 3-4-1
  • FatWallet: 3-1-1
  • BabyMint: 2-1-1
  • JellyFish: 0-3-1

As for my personal preference - I am torn apart between EBates and FatWallet. I will try both and will use what is more convenient. For big price items I might end up using the best choice rewards-wise at the time of the purchase. As for BondRewards - it seems to offer good rewards but I don’t like the idea of getting bonds as opposite to cash.




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